Αίολος - xarisxaris
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<AioLoS_> otan o Diogenhs eide enan neo stolismeno, toy eipe: An stolisthkes gia andra, eisai xydaios, an stolisthkes gia gunaika eisai enas doulos.
<O_Legamenos> otan thes na vgaleis kati asteio prepei ypervaleis
<O_Legamenos> aristofanis
<O_Legamenos> poly kalo
<O_Legamenos> o Diogenis misogynis nomizw e?
<AioLoS_> xaxaxa
<AioLoS_> oxi re
<O_Legamenos> misanthrwpos
<O_Legamenos> ?
<AioLoS_> eixe mia idiaiterh aksiologhsh ws pros tous an8rwpous.
<O_Legamenos> twra teleutaia eida to "timwn o misanthrwpos"
<AioLoS_> pisteye oti oi an8rwpoi einai ligoi
<O_Legamenos> autes einai kales parastaseis pou leipoun apo tin poli mas
<AioLoS_> afou ebgaine me to fanari to prwi kai elega "an8rwpon psaxnw".
<AioLoS_> nai...
<O_Legamenos> genikws o saikspir empotizei ta erga tou me ellinikes idees
<AioLoS_> alliws den 8a htan autos poy einai...
<O_Legamenos> merikes fores me mmperdevei, kai arxizw na psyliazomai gi auto pou lene pws ta exei klepsei , en merh, apo agnwsta ellhnika keimena
<O_Legamenos> kai pali swsto se vriskw
<O_Legamenos> "den metaneiwnw gia to parelthon mou, giati an allaza kati den tha imoun autos pou eimai. kai agapw ton eauto mou"
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<O_Legamenos> AioLoS_ nomikos nomizw pws eisai ?
<O_Legamenos> an thymamai kala
<AioLoS_> oxi.
* O_Legamenos is now known as xarisxaris
<AioLoS_> grafistas apofoithsa
<AioLoS_> an kai h fusikh mou klish einai pros th glwssa, th grammatikh kai genikws th filologia, egw ontas nearos kai au8ormhtos, epeleksa kati asxeto.
<xarisxaris> panta yparxoun perithoria
<xarisxaris> kai ektos sxolwn
<AioLoS_> ennoeitai
<xarisxaris> arkei na aksiotheis na synantiseis aksious daskalous
<AioLoS_> alla 8a h8ela na to eksaskhsw kai epaggelmatikws
<AioLoS_> na didaksw se neous Ellhnes.
<xarisxaris> i mhtera mou asxoleitai me paidia allodapwn
<xarisxaris> paramythatzou einai,
<AioLoS_> dhladh?
<xarisxaris> egrapse ki ena theatriko pou anevike , se ntopia glwssa
<xarisxaris> 1-2 ekpompes se et3 kai dhmotiko thessalonikis
<xarisxaris> mazevei paidia alvanwn kyriws kai tous mathainei ellinika mesa apo paramythi ktl
* skyrunner koyponi time magkes to 1X mas plerwnei kala.....
<AioLoS_> den ma8ainei kai se kana ellhnopoulo giati sto sxoleio den ma8ainoun?
<xarisxaris> einai kamia 10aria kyries kai pairnoun volta ta valkania
<AioLoS_> gia poion logon auto?
<xarisxaris> to erwtimatiko autis tis ypothesis einai oti ta vaftizoun kai ta pairnoun ypo kapoias morfis khdemonias
<AioLoS_> malista.. einai kapoios sullogos?
<xarisxaris> valkanikos syndesmo gynaikwn
<AioLoS_> pantws, krima pou den morfwnoun ellhnopoula pou den exoun th dunatothta na morfw8oun se sxoleio h pou pane se sxoleio kai den ma8ainoun kan ta stoixeiwdh.
<AioLoS_> polles fores m' eksorgizei h paramelhsh twn dikwn mas problhmatwn gia thn epilush ksenwn problhmatwn.
<xarisxaris> to thema einai oti prepei na giei syneidhsh twn goniwn i paideia mesa stin oikogeneia
<AioLoS_> kai oi goneis autoi kapote paidia yphrksan kai isws na mhn apekthsan swsth paideia ki anatrofh
<xarisxaris> den mporoume na riskaroume me ta paidia afinontas ta stis diatheseis twn ypourgwn
<AioLoS_> kapote oi neoi ths epoxhs 8a ana8repsoun tekna, pisteueis oti einai eis 8esh na morfwsoun?
<xarisxaris> den prepei na stamatisei auti i alysida?
<AioLoS_> otan paramelountai kai oi pantes proskollwntai se ksena problhmata auth h alusida den 8a stamathsei alla 8a megalwsei
<xarisxaris> i elliniki leksi gia to "riskarisma"?
<AioLoS_> 8a pros8esei krikous epizhmious
<AioLoS_> diakinduneush
<xarisxaris> yperoxi leksi
<AioLoS_> protimoterh ap' to
<AioLoS_> "riskarisma"
<xarisxaris> safws
<xarisxaris> ethmologika pws ta pas?
<AioLoS_> arketa kala
<AioLoS_> exw afierwsei xrono kai endiaferon
<xarisxaris> pantote anarwtiemai an mia leksi einai riza 'h paragwgo
<AioLoS_> opws?
<AioLoS_> paragwga sunh8ws einai oi sun8etes lekseis
<xarisxaris> erwtiseis paidikes
<xarisxaris> kaneis den mou emathe sto sxoleio tis rizes
<AioLoS_> se kanenan file mou
<AioLoS_> to sxoleio den didaskei pia tipota
<xarisxaris> as poume mia ilithia erwtisi
<xarisxaris> "trapesi"
<xarisxaris> zi
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<AioLoS_> xm...
<xarisxaris> stin arxi sou fainetai kseniki
<xarisxaris> perigrafei ena antikeimeno, den mporei na proerxetai
<AioLoS_> h leksh "trapezi" den uphrxe palaiotera
<AioLoS_> alla h leksh "trapeza"
<xarisxaris> trapeza
<xarisxaris> epitrapezio
<xarisxaris> epitheto
<AioLoS_> proerxetai apo th leksh tetra-peza
<xarisxaris> genikws sti grammatiki mas yparxei mia adiorati logiki, pou einai akrws gohteutiki
<AioLoS_> oi boiwtoi to legane tri-peza
<AioLoS_> auto isws na allaze logw texnotropias toy antikeimenou
<xarisxaris> alla an den exeis tis gnwseis , kai to meraki vevaia, na asxolitheis, den mporeis na katalaveis
<AioLoS_> tri-peza htan oi triskeleis trapezes
<xarisxaris> dld den itan ilithia i erwtisi
<AioLoS_> tetra-peza htan oi tetraskeleis trapezes, ta koina gia olous mas "trapezia".
<xarisxaris> yparxei eksigisi
<AioLoS_> oxi
<AioLoS_> poly kalh erwthsh e8eses
<xarisxaris> mathimatiki ki olas
<AioLoS_> blepeis oti apo mia leksh ksediplwnetai oloklhrh istoria
<AioLoS_> einai to megaleio ths glwssas mas
<xarisxaris> poia i gnwmi sou gia tin mathimatiki analysi tis alfavitou apo diaforous meletites?
* Yperboreios Luca Turilli - Lord of the Winter Snow
<xarisxaris> exw diavasei sxetika 2-3 vivlia, alla den mporesa na pistw sxetika
<AioLoS_> me briskoun sumfwno, giati h glwssa ontws einai ma8hmatikh, alla diafwnw me kapoious pou 8ewroun oti mporoyn na problepsoun ta mellonta
<AioLoS_> h me allous pou nomizoun oti katanohsan th ma8hmatikh ennoia twn grammatwn kai twn leksewn
<AioLoS_> den einai etsi...
<xarisxaris> auto to teleytaio sigoura, alla pws mporeis na oriothetiseis mathimatikous kanones se mia ontotita? giati i glwssa einai zwntani kai diamorfwnetai apo to perivalon
<AioLoS_> na orio8ethseis... ta ma8hmatika 8a enuparxoun pantote me th glwssa, oso kai na thn alloiwseis.
<xarisxaris> na oriothetiseis ME mathimatikous kanones mia ontotita?
<AioLoS_> aplws 8a meiw8ei h poioths
<AioLoS_> oi pu8agoreioi uposthrizan oti ta ma8hmatika uparxoun pantou
<AioLoS_> akomh kai sta sxhmata.
<xarisxaris> etsi
<xarisxaris> oi arithmoi kai ta sxhmata proyparxoun tou sympantos
<AioLoS_> to pentastero, prin 8ewrh8ei sumbolo tou satana, htan h pemptousia twn stoixeiwn: aeras, gh, nero, fetia kai ai8eras.
<AioLoS_> oi xristianoi argotera to 8ewrhsan sataniko gia logous pou den eksixniasthkan akoma.
<xarisxaris> o anthrwpinos egkefalos dexetai pio "eukola" tin ennoia tou sximatos para tou arithmou
<AioLoS_> h toulaxiston den tous gnwrizw egw.
<AioLoS_> exeis dikio.
<xarisxaris> isws i anthrwpini logiki kata toys pythagoreioys na vasizotan sta sximata kai argotera na "metastoixeiwthike" stin aristoteliki logiki tou simera
<xarisxaris> twn arithmwn
<xarisxaris> kai tis afirimenis logikis tou epeirou
<AioLoS_> oi ari8moi opws tous gnwrizoume shmera, den uphrxan epi arxaiothtos
<AioLoS_> oi auksontes ari8moi htan ta grammata ths alfabhtou
<AioLoS_> loipon, se xairetw file
<xarisxaris> genikws ta systhmata , ap oti exw diavasei genika xwris na asxolithw idiaitera, eixan diaforetikes domes
<xarisxaris> se xairetw
<xarisxaris> kali ksekourasi
<AioLoS_> paw na diabasw ligo kai meta 8a ypodex8w thn aderfh mou kai ton antra ths pou erxontai na me doun.
<AioLoS_> xarhka gia thn koubenta.
<xarisxaris> timi mou
* AioLoS_ Καλή σας νύχτα
<AioLoS_> 8a thn para8esw sto forum, giati htan polu epikodomhtikh.
<AioLoS_> ta leme.
Λυπάμαι που είναι στα γραικύλικα, αλλά ο φίλος χαριςχαρις δεν κατόρθωσε να γράψει μήτε να διαβάσει ελληνικούς χαρακτήρες.
<AioLoS_> otan o Diogenhs eide enan neo stolismeno, toy eipe: An stolisthkes gia andra, eisai xydaios, an stolisthkes gia gunaika eisai enas doulos.
<O_Legamenos> otan thes na vgaleis kati asteio prepei ypervaleis
<O_Legamenos> aristofanis
<O_Legamenos> poly kalo
<O_Legamenos> o Diogenis misogynis nomizw e?
<AioLoS_> xaxaxa
<AioLoS_> oxi re
<O_Legamenos> misanthrwpos
<O_Legamenos> ?
<AioLoS_> eixe mia idiaiterh aksiologhsh ws pros tous an8rwpous.
<O_Legamenos> twra teleutaia eida to "timwn o misanthrwpos"
<AioLoS_> pisteye oti oi an8rwpoi einai ligoi
<O_Legamenos> autes einai kales parastaseis pou leipoun apo tin poli mas
<AioLoS_> afou ebgaine me to fanari to prwi kai elega "an8rwpon psaxnw".
<AioLoS_> nai...
<O_Legamenos> genikws o saikspir empotizei ta erga tou me ellinikes idees
<AioLoS_> alliws den 8a htan autos poy einai...
<O_Legamenos> merikes fores me mmperdevei, kai arxizw na psyliazomai gi auto pou lene pws ta exei klepsei , en merh, apo agnwsta ellhnika keimena
<O_Legamenos> kai pali swsto se vriskw
<O_Legamenos> "den metaneiwnw gia to parelthon mou, giati an allaza kati den tha imoun autos pou eimai. kai agapw ton eauto mou"
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<O_Legamenos> AioLoS_ nomikos nomizw pws eisai ?
<O_Legamenos> an thymamai kala
<AioLoS_> oxi.
* O_Legamenos is now known as xarisxaris
<AioLoS_> grafistas apofoithsa
<AioLoS_> an kai h fusikh mou klish einai pros th glwssa, th grammatikh kai genikws th filologia, egw ontas nearos kai au8ormhtos, epeleksa kati asxeto.
<xarisxaris> panta yparxoun perithoria
<xarisxaris> kai ektos sxolwn
<AioLoS_> ennoeitai
<xarisxaris> arkei na aksiotheis na synantiseis aksious daskalous
<AioLoS_> alla 8a h8ela na to eksaskhsw kai epaggelmatikws
<AioLoS_> na didaksw se neous Ellhnes.
<xarisxaris> i mhtera mou asxoleitai me paidia allodapwn
<xarisxaris> paramythatzou einai,
<AioLoS_> dhladh?
<xarisxaris> egrapse ki ena theatriko pou anevike , se ntopia glwssa
<xarisxaris> 1-2 ekpompes se et3 kai dhmotiko thessalonikis
<xarisxaris> mazevei paidia alvanwn kyriws kai tous mathainei ellinika mesa apo paramythi ktl
* skyrunner koyponi time magkes to 1X mas plerwnei kala.....
<AioLoS_> den ma8ainei kai se kana ellhnopoulo giati sto sxoleio den ma8ainoun?
<xarisxaris> einai kamia 10aria kyries kai pairnoun volta ta valkania
<AioLoS_> gia poion logon auto?
<xarisxaris> to erwtimatiko autis tis ypothesis einai oti ta vaftizoun kai ta pairnoun ypo kapoias morfis khdemonias
<AioLoS_> malista.. einai kapoios sullogos?
<xarisxaris> valkanikos syndesmo gynaikwn
<AioLoS_> pantws, krima pou den morfwnoun ellhnopoula pou den exoun th dunatothta na morfw8oun se sxoleio h pou pane se sxoleio kai den ma8ainoun kan ta stoixeiwdh.
<AioLoS_> polles fores m' eksorgizei h paramelhsh twn dikwn mas problhmatwn gia thn epilush ksenwn problhmatwn.
<xarisxaris> to thema einai oti prepei na giei syneidhsh twn goniwn i paideia mesa stin oikogeneia
<AioLoS_> kai oi goneis autoi kapote paidia yphrksan kai isws na mhn apekthsan swsth paideia ki anatrofh
<xarisxaris> den mporoume na riskaroume me ta paidia afinontas ta stis diatheseis twn ypourgwn
<AioLoS_> kapote oi neoi ths epoxhs 8a ana8repsoun tekna, pisteueis oti einai eis 8esh na morfwsoun?
<xarisxaris> den prepei na stamatisei auti i alysida?
<AioLoS_> otan paramelountai kai oi pantes proskollwntai se ksena problhmata auth h alusida den 8a stamathsei alla 8a megalwsei
<xarisxaris> i elliniki leksi gia to "riskarisma"?
<AioLoS_> 8a pros8esei krikous epizhmious
<AioLoS_> diakinduneush
<xarisxaris> yperoxi leksi
<AioLoS_> protimoterh ap' to
<AioLoS_> "riskarisma"
<xarisxaris> safws
<xarisxaris> ethmologika pws ta pas?
<AioLoS_> arketa kala
<AioLoS_> exw afierwsei xrono kai endiaferon
<xarisxaris> pantote anarwtiemai an mia leksi einai riza 'h paragwgo
<AioLoS_> opws?
<AioLoS_> paragwga sunh8ws einai oi sun8etes lekseis
<xarisxaris> erwtiseis paidikes
<xarisxaris> kaneis den mou emathe sto sxoleio tis rizes
<AioLoS_> se kanenan file mou
<AioLoS_> to sxoleio den didaskei pia tipota
<xarisxaris> as poume mia ilithia erwtisi
<xarisxaris> "trapesi"
<xarisxaris> zi
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<AioLoS_> xm...
<xarisxaris> stin arxi sou fainetai kseniki
<xarisxaris> perigrafei ena antikeimeno, den mporei na proerxetai
<AioLoS_> h leksh "trapezi" den uphrxe palaiotera
<AioLoS_> alla h leksh "trapeza"
<xarisxaris> trapeza
<xarisxaris> epitrapezio
<xarisxaris> epitheto
<AioLoS_> proerxetai apo th leksh tetra-peza
<xarisxaris> genikws sti grammatiki mas yparxei mia adiorati logiki, pou einai akrws gohteutiki
<AioLoS_> oi boiwtoi to legane tri-peza
<AioLoS_> auto isws na allaze logw texnotropias toy antikeimenou
<xarisxaris> alla an den exeis tis gnwseis , kai to meraki vevaia, na asxolitheis, den mporeis na katalaveis
<AioLoS_> tri-peza htan oi triskeleis trapezes
<xarisxaris> dld den itan ilithia i erwtisi
<AioLoS_> tetra-peza htan oi tetraskeleis trapezes, ta koina gia olous mas "trapezia".
<xarisxaris> yparxei eksigisi
<AioLoS_> oxi
<AioLoS_> poly kalh erwthsh e8eses
<xarisxaris> mathimatiki ki olas
<AioLoS_> blepeis oti apo mia leksh ksediplwnetai oloklhrh istoria
<AioLoS_> einai to megaleio ths glwssas mas
<xarisxaris> poia i gnwmi sou gia tin mathimatiki analysi tis alfavitou apo diaforous meletites?
* Yperboreios Luca Turilli - Lord of the Winter Snow
<xarisxaris> exw diavasei sxetika 2-3 vivlia, alla den mporesa na pistw sxetika
<AioLoS_> me briskoun sumfwno, giati h glwssa ontws einai ma8hmatikh, alla diafwnw me kapoious pou 8ewroun oti mporoyn na problepsoun ta mellonta
<AioLoS_> h me allous pou nomizoun oti katanohsan th ma8hmatikh ennoia twn grammatwn kai twn leksewn
<AioLoS_> den einai etsi...
<xarisxaris> auto to teleytaio sigoura, alla pws mporeis na oriothetiseis mathimatikous kanones se mia ontotita? giati i glwssa einai zwntani kai diamorfwnetai apo to perivalon
<AioLoS_> na orio8ethseis... ta ma8hmatika 8a enuparxoun pantote me th glwssa, oso kai na thn alloiwseis.
<xarisxaris> na oriothetiseis ME mathimatikous kanones mia ontotita?
<AioLoS_> aplws 8a meiw8ei h poioths
<AioLoS_> oi pu8agoreioi uposthrizan oti ta ma8hmatika uparxoun pantou
<AioLoS_> akomh kai sta sxhmata.
<xarisxaris> etsi
<xarisxaris> oi arithmoi kai ta sxhmata proyparxoun tou sympantos
<AioLoS_> to pentastero, prin 8ewrh8ei sumbolo tou satana, htan h pemptousia twn stoixeiwn: aeras, gh, nero, fetia kai ai8eras.
<AioLoS_> oi xristianoi argotera to 8ewrhsan sataniko gia logous pou den eksixniasthkan akoma.
<xarisxaris> o anthrwpinos egkefalos dexetai pio "eukola" tin ennoia tou sximatos para tou arithmou
<AioLoS_> h toulaxiston den tous gnwrizw egw.
<AioLoS_> exeis dikio.
<xarisxaris> isws i anthrwpini logiki kata toys pythagoreioys na vasizotan sta sximata kai argotera na "metastoixeiwthike" stin aristoteliki logiki tou simera
<xarisxaris> twn arithmwn
<xarisxaris> kai tis afirimenis logikis tou epeirou
<AioLoS_> oi ari8moi opws tous gnwrizoume shmera, den uphrxan epi arxaiothtos
<AioLoS_> oi auksontes ari8moi htan ta grammata ths alfabhtou
<AioLoS_> loipon, se xairetw file
<xarisxaris> genikws ta systhmata , ap oti exw diavasei genika xwris na asxolithw idiaitera, eixan diaforetikes domes
<xarisxaris> se xairetw
<xarisxaris> kali ksekourasi
<AioLoS_> paw na diabasw ligo kai meta 8a ypodex8w thn aderfh mou kai ton antra ths pou erxontai na me doun.
<AioLoS_> xarhka gia thn koubenta.
<xarisxaris> timi mou
* AioLoS_ Καλή σας νύχτα
<AioLoS_> 8a thn para8esw sto forum, giati htan polu epikodomhtikh.
<AioLoS_> ta leme.
Λυπάμαι που είναι στα γραικύλικα, αλλά ο φίλος χαριςχαρις δεν κατόρθωσε να γράψει μήτε να διαβάσει ελληνικούς χαρακτήρες.