The financial collapse of Greece

[Bright Star]

Hello Everyone
It's been a while since I posted, so much going on

So what's really going on with Greece and it's financial breakdown?

Any thoughts?

Happy new year to you all

it's going to a good one, many changes, some up, some down.

[ArELa]

Ηi there sweetie! So glad you're back!

What's going on in Greece, is what is actually going on in other "smaller" countries within the EU. You must understand that it is not Papandreou or PASOK party governing this country now, but some UNELECTED bureaucrats in Brussels, who give the orders and Georgy complies...

I've recently translated/subtitled a great interview with David Icke.
i'll give you one vid of a whole series here, and if you want you can see the whole thing, following the parts in youtube.



He describes the orwellian state comming more and more on the scene, and materializing as an actual reality for ALL on the planet. It is no surprise that some of the tentacles of this agenda have reached Greece as well. It's not as bad as it is in the UK and USA yet, but I'm afraid we're not going to avoid it, unless.... (I leave the rest to your imagination)

The thing is that something's got to give...things can't go on like this for much longer...

Don't be a stranger, I want to see more of you here. We've missed you.
Be well, God Bless, Peace, love and Freedom, girl.

[Bright Star]

Hi Arela
time flies....

Yep, what with the Lisbon Treaty and all that, the EU is now officially a Federal State and all the 'little' countries can expect more and more obvious interference. For sure the puppet politicians are no more than that, I was wondering what the overall agenda is. I had been linking Greece's manufactured financial problems to a wider agenda for the whole Balkan area. From the squashing of the Ottoman Empire to the the NATO attack on Yugoslavia and the discovery of huge oil and gas fields in the Caspian Sea, Caucasus mountains and Asia. The Balkan area is the natural transportation pathway to Europe. Does Greece have to be manipulated into a more advantageous position for the New World Order to control the Balkan area completely? Do all the pathetic greedy little men have to be swept away, you know the ones that use the ststem to line their pockets, I'm talking about the socialised corruption. It's fairly clear the Balkans is an important area for the NWO. I was told Thessaloniki was tipped to become the economic centre for the Balkans so......


I'll give the video a watch now, well done you for translating that

[Divine Sinner]

My english is not good.
But i will try to make my point.
Iam not a christian but i will use the apocalypse.
the apocalypse said than thus who will voluntarily take the sign of the antichrist is doomed.
because he was CHOOSE to do it by his free will.
This is the situation of the Greece.
We are in deeper shit now in versus the times of ottoman or german occupation.
Why? because we voluntarily gave our independence to the European union, united nations etc.
we are not independent country any more.
No one took our independence by force. we gave it away.
And this is why we are in deeper shit.

[Bright Star]

Your english is better than my Greek

I agree that the general situation, not only in Greece but elsewhere is ultimately everyones responsibility. I'm not religious either but my current conclusion that we are given the choice between 'good' and 'evil' is, I think, described in the Christian bible. The dark forces (satan) tempts us through our greed, which is a believe that we are seperate and there's not enough to go round so we must grab everything for ourselves. People are greedy for stuff, for cash, for bigger cars, fancy mobile phones, new apartments, fashionable clothes, etc, etc. The media never shuts up, it continually persuades us that to be a better person you need all this stuff (ego.) And we have believed it.... stupid us and we have built ourselves a prison of debt and (unconsciouss) unhappiness that now we are so far from nature and from the Divine/God or whatever you want to call 'it'.

It's a deep, dark, deception (I'm captain of illiteration today, lol) that has been woven around humanity for millenia, so whilst it is our responsibility as co creators of our reality, we don't need to beat ourselves up because persons unknown to us and more knowledgable than us have stripped humanity of the truth of it's existance and power. However, it is still deep inside every one of us and we are waking up BIG TIME

[Polikos Arkoudos]

However, it is still deep inside every one of us and we are waking up BIG TIME

miracles can happen!
hope dies last

I hope there is someone up there that ll come and awake us

[Bright Star]

I'm sorry if this disappoints you, but no-one is going to do it for us. No aliens will land to save us, there'll be no divine interevention, no booming voice from above to scare away the baddies. It up to us, we have to choose to listen to the divine within us and follow it's direction. Then we can create an earthly garden paradise.

[ArELa]

I found a great article written by a Greek guy, that's worth reading.
It describes the situation in Greece.


Greece is NWO Test Ground, Says Greek Reader
February 11, 2010

"All men of power here, get their power from plundering the Greek people, or having connections with those that do it."


by Christos
(for www.henrymakow.com)



I am 26 years old and live in Greece. I am writing this letter in order to let you know about a new law in Greece announced yesterday.

The financial minister of Greece announced yesterday that from 1/1/2011 all financial transactions of sums above 1500 euros in cash, will be banned. For any transaction above 1500 euros, only credit cards and checks will be legal. The formal explanation for this law is it will combat those who do not pay taxes. But we all know this is not the case...

It seems the new world order wants to make Greece a testing ground for their new laws. For the past months, Greece have been attacked without mercy. We have been called liars, frauds, cheaters, thieves. They are threatening us constantly with banning from the euro zone and default. [These charges are] not true. ... The problem is, based on their accusations and (the virtual) bad situation of Greek finances, they will pass their experimental laws of their new world order.

The fairly new Government of the socialist party, elected 4 months ago, forgot all its promises, and is determined to pass laws giving citizenship to illegal immigrants after 5 years, without any trade-off. We are 10 million Greeks here, and almost 3 million mostly illegal immigrants, who will obtain Greek nationality and will gain the right to bring their families here too... In Pakistan there are even ads saying "for 5000 euros we get you to Greece, to study free, work, make families, and obtain EU passports"...

And now this... The previous government created a new ID card, to collect data from people since childbirth. This government will ban transactions in cash over 1500 euros, in order to make all of us have credit cards. The obvious first step is to ban all cash transactions, then merge this new ID card with the credit system, then, well.... insert this merged ID card into our bodies...

Our peoples' morale is low, society is disorganized because of immigration and propaganda, and we will not fight those laws. You people living in the Western World, be prepared because they are planning the same for you!

BACKGROUND

I will try to give you my personal view of the conditions in Greece.

First of all, there is no trust in politicians. Most people distrust them and know they are scum, but continue to vote for the same people in every election. This happens because they promise privileges in order to get votes. Most politicians are members of secret societies, and have close ties to USA and European elites. Our current prime minister is even an American citizen...

A young man living in Greece and having no connections, is hopeless. Without connections, he will have major difficulties if he wants to join a good University(or complete his studies without bribes), if he wants to find a job, or create his own. He will be forced to join the army while privileged young men with connections will illegally avoid it.

And there is no point discussing finding love... Of course pretty women will pick wealthier men, but in Greece even women of moderate appearance prefer men with deep pockets. They prefer sharing the top men than having a man only for themselves.

And the top men in Greece are all frauds. Greece, apart from some natural resources and its tourism industry, produces nothing of value. Corruption is so big, that all productive forces are drowned. So all men of power here, get their power from plundering the Greek people, or having connections with those that do it. Women (and their families) of course are not concerned about that. As long as someone is wealthy, he is desirable, and value as a person is irrelevant.

Despite poor economic condition (but not so desperate as to warrant dire measures), people in power take pleasure in attacking traditional customs, Orthodox Christianity, and traditional Greek patriots. They protect illegal immigrants, and silence their crimes. They attack Christianity, in the media, at schools etc. They are removing all Christian symbols from public places.

MEDIA

Greek media are a pile of garbage. For the biggest part of the day, most major TV networks will show shows discussing greek "vips" lifestyle, sexual relations etc. There are few "political" shows and news shows, all trying to cover the truth and turn the attention of the people at matters of trivial importance. Propaganda is blatant. The previous government was literally destroyed by TV networks. They promoted heavily the current government, so strongly that previous prime minister was forced to make new elections despite being only for 2 years in government.

Current prime minister made promises, NONE of which kept after being elected. Only a few days after election, he went on with the plans of New World Order. He created an artificially dire financial situation, in order to be able to pass whatever laws he wanted, plus giving his friends some money... He "cooked" our budget, by moving payments of 2010 in 2009 and incomes from 2009 to 2010, in order to both make our deficit bigger and be able to claim in 2010 that he "improved" our economy... This doesn't mean that our previous prime minister wasn't a puppet, just that he wasn't able to fulfill New World Order directions like the new government.

Huge economic scandals are discovered every day, and buried by Greek propaganda media. And most honest people are so concerned with working 2 and 3 jobs in order to feed their families, that cannot fight this corruption. Greek people work on average many more hours weekly than other EU countries, get much less pay, and pay more for the same products. And because of the traitors in government, EU newspapers and media call our people lazy. They say we need to work even more and receive even less... Of course this is not true. The plunder of Greek people has been made with their assistance. But this is a long subject and i wont go on with it.


CONCLUSION

In a few words... Life in Greece sucks. Since I am a computer programmer, i have many times thought about leaving for a better country and make my living there. But i do not want to abandon my home... yet. I would be willing to fight this system, but i see no point since the system is so well entrenched it cannot be tackled by a few men alone.

The reason i wrote you my previous letter is because this new law of banning cash transactions above 1500 euros is just another step towards cashless society, and is being implemented in Greece as a testing phase. I strongly believe it is a matter of time before most western nations see similar laws.

http://www.henrymakow.com/nwo_bitch_--_ ... conte.html




Way to go, Christos!

[Bright Star]

Yes, I just read that and was about to post it here.
I reckon he's right, we're going to experience real hard times unless the people can unite, NOT in violence but in peaceful non co operation.

[ArELa]

Precicely. The key word applicable globally if we are to succeed... is non compliance.

[skion]

Spot on my dear ArELa!!

[ArELa]

Great vid and great work skion!

(just rated it)

[skion]

It's not an easy thing this Non Compliance, because we've been taught that we need all this bullshit in order to exist, and only by going back to the real self and get connected again to the All That Is, we going to find a way to fight those illuminati snakes and their Orion originated masters, who control and manipulate our planet and us since the beginning of our Higher Self Group started inhabiting this beautiful planet.

namaste

[ArELa]

It's not an easy thing this Non Compliance, because we've been taught that we need all this bullshit in order to exist, and only by going back to the real self and get connected again to the All That Is, we going to find a way to fight those illuminati snakes and their Orion originated masters, who control and manipulate our planet and us since the beginning of our Higher Self Group started inhabiting this beautiful planet.

[Bright Star]

It's not an easy thing this Non Compliance, because we've been taught that we need all this bullshit in order to exist, and only by going back to the real self and get connected again to the All That Is, we going to find a way to fight those illuminati snakes and their Orion originated masters, who control and manipulate our planet and us since the beginning of our Higher Self Group started inhabiting this beautiful planet.

namaste

Well said Skion, my thoughts exactly!!
I just came across this article about the agenda behind the Greek crisis;



by Jean D'Eau in Budapest

(for Henrymakow.com)

A friend of mine who is a now a disilusioned high ranking member of the Jewish Freemasonry in Budapest has told me what is coming regarding the Greek crisis.





Greece was chosen to play the role of the European Union bankrupt member state in order to "create" the big problem to which the European Union is going to "find" the "solution" soon. Greece was chosen because it symbolizes Europe (nobody in Europe cares about countries like Hungary or Estonia) and because its economy was relatively easy to devastate after it renounced its own currency.





The European "elites" are using Greece to persuade the sheeple that if the Greek problem is not fixed, Southern Europe will go bankrupt which will trigger the collapse of the whole European financial system and thus the bankruptcy of the whole European economy.



The "problem" is that the so-called Eurozone (where the euro currency replaced the national currencies) is doomed to collapse since the Southern European states (as well as the Eastern ones) cannot sustain their economy if they are no longer in position to devalue their own currency in order to boost export and tourism (they are now sucked to the euro currency.)





That's where corrupt globalist politicians played their role in weakening their own economy by every means but the current "global recession" triggered by the international Khazar bankers was the main part of the plan to bring the Southern and Eastern European economies to a breaking point as well as to weaken the US economy and collapse the Chinese, Indian and Russian economies.



The "only solution" soon to be proposed soon by the EU is to suppress the national fiscal and budgetary policies in Europe and have a centralized European budget. All European states will have to send most of their tax money to a central European government and the national budgets will be established by this central government too.




It is going to be a bit more complicated but it will mean that the European national governments will cease to exist. In parallel, the European Union is already announcing the "necessary" creation of a big European Army to match the predominant military power of the US in the NATO.



As you already know, the international bankers are indeed mainly European bankers (Rothschild and co.) and these are the real brains behind the man-made global recession (just as they are behind the "global warming" scam.)





Thus the European "elites" are now on the way to becoming more powerful than the traditional US "elites". All they need is to make the European Union a real superstate (centralized taxation and budgetary policy) with a real super army (the coming European Army.) Then, the US "elites" will be forced to merge the US into the EU and not the opposite as they would like.





The resulting "UNION" (this is the projected label) would be an empire ruled by the money powers whose ancestor ruled the Khazar empire at that time. If anybody still believes that the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is a fake, wait until the plan above is fulfilled and they will wake up in an "Elders of Zion" world. Unless of course America, China or Russia can stop the raise of the new Khazar empire.





--------A Word About Gold-




In case you bought gold to ensure your savings, be careful because the same freemason friend of mine told me gold is just another scam to liquidate middle class wealth. The gold price will raise for a while and when enough middle class people in the West have put enough money in it, you-know-who will crash its price in order to destroy the money trapped in it. My friend told me it could happen this year but anyway during the coming two or max. three years. I don`t know if this is true, but as I myself have bought some gold, I am prepared to react quickly.

[ArELa]

Great article my Star and so true...
Greece being the scape goat in this case...
But something tells me, or should I say I have this incredibly intense feeling that this is not going to work for them, not the way they want anyway...

Tensions are rising all around the world...
the intimidating false flag events/supposed "terrorist" attacks don't do the trick anymore... The awakening is accelerating, and I for one, am holding on to the Faith...

Here's a video regarding the Greek "crisis" and the Fed bailout, which I haven't had time to translate yet.




And here, Alex and David analyzing the recent plane crash on a building in Texas and what all this means in the long run...



Ofcourse David cannot stress enough, that violence and riots are not the answer here, but Non compliance, or no-cooperation as he calls it. If non cooperation is "organized" globally, the system will crumble.

[Bright Star]

Yes, I agree the agenda will not work for them. However, how much suffering humanity will experience before the system collapses and new kinder more compassionate way arises is up to us.

I listened to the AJ/Icke show this morning, was a good one. AJ was almost wetting his pants in excitment and fear about the plane crash (not mentioned on BBC UK news this morning curiously) funny
Icke was a powerhouse when he said 'they' are getting desperate as 'they' realise we are waking up and that we must all stay as calm as possible becuase they'll do everything to keep a lid on the great awakening, but they can't stop it

much love and peace to all

[skion]

All is well said by both you girls and the article author as well. But I have a gut feeling that all this economic fear mongering, both here in Europe (Greece is just one of the current moves of their Master Controlled Paradigm game plan) and elsewhere in the world, is nothing more but a distraction from the hidden plans secretly underway as we speak or should I say write this words, and will involve much more than a economic meltdown that everyone has I mind at the moment. There are changes underway, big planetary and consciousness changes that are coming very fast and most of us are oblivious to the fact, and to what extent this is going to affect us, on a cellular and consciousness level and those Controllers know all this for thousand of years and they are trying desperately to change the course of those natural in the universe events, but thy are going to fail, be sure of this. Just keep love to all living thing only in your heart and keep away the fear, because is what THEY are feeding from and we can deny from them that privilege. We are Highly Evolved Spiritual Beings that CHOSED To have this experience. There is no end to Us but They and their Master Plan go against the natural universal laws, so they are destined to fail.
namaste

[Bright Star]

Skion, I went to the crowhouse website to download the movie, very good btw. I had the idea to ask the African DVD sellers, if they want to of course, to hand out copies or I could just leave copies around, whatever. Anyway, it needs the Greek subtitles as I'm down in Kalamata, it seems that the subtitles are only available on the you tube version. I'm not good with computers, I was wondering if you had any suggestions?

Interesting picture in your post btw,

[skion]

Hi my dear Bright Star, I do have the subtitles for the movie but they are split in three parts and synchronized that way, but I can work around it and create subs for the whole length of the movie. Give me some time and I will do it. And I’ll send you a PM on the forum to organize how to get it to you somehow, OK? And yes the photo is very interesting, it's on the front cover of a very interesting book as well.
namaste

[ArELa]

and will involve much more than a economic meltdown that everyone has I mind at the moment. There are changes underway, big planetary and consciousness changes that are coming very fast and most of us are oblivious to the fact, and to what extent this is going to affect us, on a cellular and consciousness level

Great point! I feel that we are now begining to touch the "real deal"...The core of things that brings us closer to substantial reality and not the manufactured one they'd been feeding us with for ages...

I've already opened a topic on the subject, last year.... In fact I translated the "bringers of the dawn" here, their teachings and messages coinciding with your view...(I think)
Kindly look at this when you get the time. I couldn't do subtitles at the time, but each video is embedded and translated in each post. Bright Star you can ofcourse listen to the voice messages. I want both your input on that. Thank you in advance.

Happy birthday by the way my friend and many happy returns!

[Bright Star]

Skion, that great news, many thanks. I have a shop here and most days I chat with my customers (in English) about what's going on, not one gets the bigger picture though some more than others, I try to open them to the possibility that all is not what it seems and as the movie says we need to understand the bigger picture in order to wake up from the dream and remember who we really are and our power. In this way we can repair the destruction of our beautiful home, eliminate suffering and consciously co create with the Divine creator a paradise on Earth. This movie is quite succinct in it's explanation of how we have arrived where we are, why everything seems to be in such a mess. Of course there's much more to the story and it does touch on the truth of our spiritual origins, just enough to intrigue without being too 'woo woo'.

For the purpose of mind-opening without mind-boggling it does a good job. Most importantly, imo, it encompasses the message of healing and freedom through love and unity, a vital message that often gets left out in these kind of movies. This is the message that people really need to hear now, so many express a feeling of powerlessness, 'what can I do?' there is so much anxiety, so much fear, fear of survival and people may try to be even more aggressive and greedy just to survive.

Last week I saw the movie The Road, a post apocalyptic survival movie, deeply disturbing but honest. It discusses how deep into depravity the ego driven reptilian human nature can sink when faced with the need to survive. These years we are passing through a transition, how well we pass depends on how willing we are to let go of the old paradigm and wake up. For the people around here at least, as this is where I am, this movie could be a real help. Even without the current 'crisis' people here want to 'cut their neighbours legs' to get ahead. What they need to understand is that we can defeat the NWO if we co-operate with eachother, look after eachother. The 'me, me, me' mindset is one that has to go if we are to pass the next years without too much suffering.


Arela, I'll watch the link, looks interesting ,
filakia,

[Bright Star]

Btw Skion I'm intruiged; what's the book?

[skion]

The book is the 5th of a series called MATRIX V :http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html
i would'nt normaly recommend it, but it's best if you read first something like this:http://www.amazon.com/Robert-A.-Monroe/ ... sr=1-2-ent by Robert Monroe. Matrix V is not an easy read, it blowed my mind away, so you were warned !
Best of luck with your endeavours Bright Star
namaste

[Bright Star]

Yes, I've heard of the Matrix V books and Robert Monroe but haven't read anything. Soo much information out there, it's overload sometimes